October 29

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Quotes of the day from previous years:

2004
The future is not some place we are going to, but one we are creating. The paths are not to be found, but made, and the activity of making them, changes both the maker and the destination. ~ John Schaar
2005
All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than those who listen to me directly. ~ Muhammad
  • proposed by Kalki; in 2005, Laylat al-Qadr (The Night of Power) is traditionally celebrated on this night (as the start of the 27th of Ramadan in the Muslim calendar) by many Muslims.
2006
We cannot tell the precise moment when friendship is formed. As in filling a vessel drop by drop, there is at last a drop which makes it run over; so in a series of kindnesses there is at last one which makes the heart run over. ~ James Boswell
  • proposed by Fys
2007
This is a terrific outburst. And since it doesn’t have a tail right now, some observers have confused it with a nova. We’ve had at least two reports of a new star. ~ Brian G. Marsden (on the recent unprecedented brightening of Comet 17P/Holmes)
2008
He who has provoked the lash of wit, cannot complain that he smarts from it. ~ James Boswell (born 29 October 1740)
  • proposed by Fys
2009

[edit] Suggestions

If you're a leader, you don't push wet spaghetti, you pull it. ... Patton understood it. I always admired Patton. Oh, sure, the stupid bastard was crazy. ... Soldiers were peasants to him. I didn't like that attitude, but I certainly respected his theories and the techniques he used to get his men out of their foxholes. ~ Bill Mauldin

  • 3 Kalki 23:06, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
  • 1 Zarbon 05:46, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
  • 1 Waheedone 03:20, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
  • 2 ~ UDScott 12:41, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
  • 3 for just the first sentence, otherwise 1. Ningauble 17:18, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
  • 2 for the first sentence. - InvisibleSun 22:27, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Humor is like a frog. They both die if you dissect them. ~ Joseph Goebbels (born October 29)

  • 3 because it is best not to try and describe humor, or it would lose its flavor. The same way, the dissection of a frog is used as a nice comparison. Zarbon 04:32, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
  • 0 2 Kalki 15:58, 18 October 2008 (UTC) I don't mind the statement in itself, and have heard such statements many times, but prior to it appearing here, never with any attribution of such a declaration to Goebbels. It actually seem quite out of character, and I am very inclined to doubt the attribution is correct. ~ Kalki 18:57, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Just found far more refined versions of this, and it seems to have originated with E. B. White : "Humor can be dissected, as a frog can, but the thing dies in the process and the innards are discouraging to any but the pure scientific mind." Another version commonly attributed to White is : "Analyzing humor is like dissecting a frog. Few people are interested and the frog dies of it."
  • 3 Waheedone 03:20, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
  • 2 ~ UDScott 12:41, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
  • 0 (unsourced, vulgar) Ningauble 17:18, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
    • Comment: This is not vulgar. The message is that abusing anything will result in the boredom from it...especially when it comes to humor. When it comes to the source, I've been trying to relocate it, I know I initially wouldn't suggest a quote unless I knew its source. In some instances, I have trouble locating the source because when I originally submitted the quotes, I didn't think it was necessary to put up the sources. Afterwards, I began to add the sources as well in accordance to wikiquote policy. If anything, I will locate the sources for those that I haven't as of yet. But bare in mind that this is not misquoted, especially if I can vouch for submitting it. Zarbon 03:21, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
      • I consider this vulgar in the sense that it is plebian and coarse, lacking cultivation and perception. (Also, considering the attributed source, it would be disingenuous, or possibly ironic, for Goebbels was a master at analyzing emotional responses to all forms of rhetoric, including humor.) In my opinion this is not suitable for a Quote of the Day on so sublime a topic as humor. Others may differ, and vote accordingly. ~ Ningauble 13:05, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

0 because the quote has been found to be by White, who is not associated with this day. - InvisibleSun 22:27, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. ~ Joseph Goebbels (born October 29)

OR

Alternate version: If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth.
Alternate version: If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it.
Alternate version: If you repeat a lie long enough, it becomes truth.
Alternate version: If you repeat a lie many times, people are bound to start believing it.

  • 4 because a man who repeats a lie a thousand fold eventually convinces oneself and others that it holds truth. Zarbon 04:33, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
    • SOURCE: Quoted in "The Sack of Rome" - Page 14 - by Alexander Stille and also quoted in "A World Without Walls: Freedom, Development, Free Trade and Global Governance" - Page 63 by Mike Moore - 2003
  • 1 Kalki 18:57, 28 October 2008 (UTC) 2 Kalki 15:58, 18 October 2008 (UTC) This, and variants of it, have been published most often as a quotation of Goebbels, but in this and other forms it has also been quoted as a statement of Hitler, so the original source and phrasing remains somewhat disputed.
    • I wouldn't say it's disputed. The quote is derived from Goebbels and he is credited with the quote in numerous reliable sources. To say otherwise and attribute the quote to Hitler is incorrect in itself, considering the man did not say the quote. Still, it is a nice quote, and all the references I've pulled have suggested that it belongs to Goebbels only. Zarbon 22:08, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
  • 4 Waheedone 03:20, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
  • 2 ~ UDScott 12:41, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
  • 0 (misquote/paraphrase) Ningauble 17:18, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
    • Comment: This is neither a misquotation nor a paraphrase. I provided all of the versions of this quote that he has repeated in the same section of his page. Also, I have provided the quote's source so as to avoid any confusion to misquotation. Again, this is not a misquotation. I even provided two different sources in order to ensure that. Zarbon 03:21, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
      • There is a distinction to be drawn between original sources and other attributions. He certainly expressed the general idea himself on multiple occasions, and such words are widely attributed to him, partly because of the great irony in that he both criticized opponents with similar words and also frankly practiced the technique himself. But as to the words themselves, in my opinion a Quote of the Day ought to be an actual quotation. ~ Ningauble 13:05, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
        • This is still a quotation nonetheless. It is not attributed to others. The only person who said it was him, therefore, it is not an attribution, it is one of his quotes. Bare in mind it is neither a misquote nor a paraphrase. The fact that he said it in many different ways doesn't make it either of those things. In fact, it strengthens the argument that he used the quote frequently, which originated from him. I've relisted all the versions of the same quote by him so as to be clear about it. Zarbon 13:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
  • 0. Multiple versions of a quote don't make it more reliable; it would be like saying that rumors are more reliable than facts. - InvisibleSun 22:27, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
    • 0? I just provided all the versions of the quote, all attributed to the same person. In what way does it make it unreliable. In fact, this is getting very annoying. What is necessary, a scan of the page that the quote is derived from? This quote has been sourced many times over. It does not qualify for a 0, and neither do any of the other quotes. Zarbon 01:00, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

A child laughs when it feels joy and cries when it feels pain. Both things, laughing and crying it does with its whole heart. We all became so tall and so clever. We know so much and we have read so much. But one thing we forgot: to laugh and cry like the children do. ~ Joseph Goebbels

  • 3 Zarbon 03:11, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
  • 2 ~ UDScott 12:41, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
  • 2 Ningauble 17:18, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
  • 3 Waheedone 03:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
  • 0 Kalki 18:57, 28 October 2008 (UTC) This is another that in many ways seems rather uncharacterstic of Goebbels, and I can find no reliable sources which indicate it to actually be a quotation by him. If a source were found I might conceivably rank it a 1 or 2 in relation to some form of irony.
    • This quote is not unsourced. The source is "Michael : a German fate in diary notes (1926)" Zarbon 22:10, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
    • The cited source is mentioned in Wikipedia (if you can believe that source) as a novel by Joseph Goebbels, if anyone feels inclined to track it down. ~ Ningauble 00:50, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
    • 0 because it is unsourced. - InvisibleSun 22:27, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
    • For the second time, this quote is NOT unsourced. Zarbon 01:00, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Every fool knoweth that hatreds are the cinders of affection. ~ Walter Raleigh (date of death)

So when thou hast, as I
Commanded thee, done blabbing —
Although to give the lie
Deserves no less than stabbing —
Stab at thee he that will,
No stab the soul can kill. ~ Walter Raleigh

OR

Stab at thee he that will,
No stab the soul can kill. ~ Walter Raleigh

  • 3 for both versions. Zarbon 14:16, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
  • 3 Kalki 15:58, 18 October 2008 (UTC) with preference for the shorter version.
  • 2 Waheedone 03:20, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
  • 2 ~ UDScott 12:41, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
  • 2 for the shorter version Ningauble 17:18, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
  • 3 for the shorter version. - InvisibleSun 22:27, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Cowards fear to die; but courage stout,
Rather than live in snuff, will be put out. ~ Walter Raleigh

Silence in love bewrays more woe
Than words, though ne'er so witty:
A beggar that is dumb, you know,
May challenge double pity. ~ Walter Raleigh

Even such is time, that takes in trust
Our youth, our joys, our all we have,
And pays us but with age and dust;
Who in the dark and silent grave,
When we have wandered all our ways,
Shuts up the story of our days.
But from this earth, this grave, this dust,
My God shall raise me up, I trust! ~ Walter Raleigh

Remember...that if thou marry for beauty, thou bindest thyself all thy life for that which perchance will never last nor please thee one year; and when thou hast it, it will be to thee of no price at all, for the desire dieth when it is attained, and the affection perisheth when it is satisfied. ~ Walter Raleigh

But it is hard to know them [flatterers] from friends, they are so obsequious, and full of protestations; for as a wolf resembles a dog, so doth a flatterer a friend. ~ Walter Raleigh

  • 3 Zarbon 14:16, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
  • 2 Kalki 15:58, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
  • 2 Waheedone 03:20, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
  • 2 ~ UDScott 12:41, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
  • 3 for just the simile "As a wolf resembles a dog, so doth a flatterer a friend." Ningauble 17:18, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
  • 3 InvisibleSun 22:27, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

As soon as war is declared it will be impossible to hold the poets back. Rhyme is still the most effective drum. ~ Jean Giraudoux

There is no better way of exercising the imagination than the study of law. No poet ever interpreted nature as freely as a lawyer interprets the truth. ~ Jean Giraudoux

  • 2 Zarbon 14:16, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
  • 2 Kalki 15:58, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
  • 2 Waheedone 03:20, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
  • 2 ~ UDScott 12:41, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
  • 2 (but that is funny!) Ningauble 17:18, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
  • 2 InvisibleSun 22:27, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

No moral system can rest solely on authority. ~ Alfred Ayer, Humanist Outlook (London: Pemberton; Barrie & Rockliff, 1968) p. 4.

  • 3 ~ UDScott 12:41, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
  • 1 Zarbon 13:24, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
  • 3 (tho the tone is rather flat) Ningauble 17:18, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
  • 2 InvisibleSun 22:27, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
  • 3 Kalki 23:04, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
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